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celestialfray) wrote2003-10-04 12:03 am
celestialfray) wrote2003-10-04 12:03 am
Incoherent ranting (i.e., why I shouldn't read the Angel Fametracker thread)
Apparently it angries up the blood.
Okay, there's bitterness, and then there's BITTERNESS. Is there something about the Buffyverse fandom that breeds the latter type?
Did you know ME hates them personally? Really. It's all about them. All the time and effort they put into watching the show, ME just doesn't appreciate it. ME's only goal in life is to screw with them in the worst way possible by doing everything they hate. (I vaguely remember one person complaining in her "I give up" letter that she was a fan of Btvs for many years/had watched it religiously/had gotten other people to watch it, and they betrayed her.)
I know that not all bitter people check logic and rationality at the door, but some of them are so vitriolic, so hostile, that the give the rest of them a bad name. No matter what takes place, how any of the shows go, they'll find something to hate or they'll make the most worst interpretation possible. If something isn't explained immediately, it must be a plot hole. If they do, they'll say something like "We get it!" or "We're not stupid!" or "What happened to subtlety?"
A lot of them seem to hate Spike a lot. Which I say, to each their own. But that's not enough. After they state how much they hate him, and how he ruined every show known to man, they'll then start on belittling his fans. That's usually where they bring the oh so original stereotype that Spike fans are only interested in his cheekbones, abs, *insert body part here* and that they lack the capability to see anything else ("The man only has a few years of marketability left before even the most devoted Spike fans will start finding him old and disgusting.")
What much of it seems to boil down to, though, is that Joss Whedon is the devil. He eats babies. He's Marti Noxon's puppet master. He's a complete hack. He wrote the screenplay to Glitter. The fact that his heavy involvement in S2/S3 resulted in great work was a complete fluke. I think he tripped on a keyboard and out came the arc for Season 2.
And guess what? He killed Glenn Quinn.
From the Angel thread on Fametracker:
"Fuck Whedon. I can't stand the guy (Whedon, not Quinn). Maybe if he didn't kill off Doyle, the actor would still be alive today? If he had sent the character off to another dimension, leaving the opportunity open for a return visit, the actor may have had something to look forward to? Maybe. But we'll never know."
He just can't do anything right.
Okay, there's bitterness, and then there's BITTERNESS. Is there something about the Buffyverse fandom that breeds the latter type?
Did you know ME hates them personally? Really. It's all about them. All the time and effort they put into watching the show, ME just doesn't appreciate it. ME's only goal in life is to screw with them in the worst way possible by doing everything they hate. (I vaguely remember one person complaining in her "I give up" letter that she was a fan of Btvs for many years/had watched it religiously/had gotten other people to watch it, and they betrayed her.)
I know that not all bitter people check logic and rationality at the door, but some of them are so vitriolic, so hostile, that the give the rest of them a bad name. No matter what takes place, how any of the shows go, they'll find something to hate or they'll make the most worst interpretation possible. If something isn't explained immediately, it must be a plot hole. If they do, they'll say something like "We get it!" or "We're not stupid!" or "What happened to subtlety?"
A lot of them seem to hate Spike a lot. Which I say, to each their own. But that's not enough. After they state how much they hate him, and how he ruined every show known to man, they'll then start on belittling his fans. That's usually where they bring the oh so original stereotype that Spike fans are only interested in his cheekbones, abs, *insert body part here* and that they lack the capability to see anything else ("The man only has a few years of marketability left before even the most devoted Spike fans will start finding him old and disgusting.")
What much of it seems to boil down to, though, is that Joss Whedon is the devil. He eats babies. He's Marti Noxon's puppet master. He's a complete hack. He wrote the screenplay to Glitter. The fact that his heavy involvement in S2/S3 resulted in great work was a complete fluke. I think he tripped on a keyboard and out came the arc for Season 2.
And guess what? He killed Glenn Quinn.
From the Angel thread on Fametracker:
"Fuck Whedon. I can't stand the guy (Whedon, not Quinn). Maybe if he didn't kill off Doyle, the actor would still be alive today? If he had sent the character off to another dimension, leaving the opportunity open for a return visit, the actor may have had something to look forward to? Maybe. But we'll never know."
He just can't do anything right.
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Honestly, I've come to believe that much of the bitterness is just a strange form of ego stroking. Fact is, at both TWoP and FT, there's almost a sort of group acceptance in ranting about Whedon/Marti/Spike/Seasons 5-7 BtVS. For every diatribe you post, you get people jumping to agree with you, posters congratulating others on their cleverness, everyone agreeing that the show would be just so much better if only you were allowed to write it. Fact is, it's easier to post a big rant over everything that's wrong, rather than actually watching the show and trying to think about what the writers' purpose may be, what they're trying to say, etc. Most of the discussion over there consists only of rushing to the most obvious one liners, and a self-congratulatory attitude over how smart they are. Luckily, they've become so infamous for their seething hatred that they're losing relevancy by the day.
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I remember a while ago on TWOP, a new poster prefaced a statement with something like, "I know I'm the stupidest stup who ever stupped, but I actually liked S6." No one person responded. It's like that attitude is so ingrained that when someone says something like this, it's not even questioned.
Most of the discussion over there consists only of rushing to the most obvious one liners, and a self-congratulatory attitude over how smart they are.
I know. I stopped reading episode threads a long time ago. The first few pages usually read like opening night at a bad comedy club.
And many of them seem to assume that because they don't like where a story is going, it must suck. Because their taste is an automatic arbitrator of quality.
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Sure, I knew that. ME has to hate them personally in order for them to construct their imaginary universe in which Joss et al know and care that they exist. Notice me daddy! Notice me!
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BF #472:: Joss just hates us.
BF #24412: He's keeps trying to destroy my show.
BF #1895: I'll never watch another minute again.
BF #2561: I hope you're happy, Joss, you've ruined the best show on television.
BF #898: Why can't you just leave us alone?
BF #6325: Joss, that's the stupidest idea I've ever heard.
BF #216: What were you thinking?! Go back to Firefly!
BF #19971: I've officially given up on him.
BF #568: I've been watching for 7 years, I deserve better!
Joss: I think I'll have a strudel for breakfast.
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Can you imagine having venom like that running in your veins instead of blood? I've heard that before Marti Noxon had her baby, some people actually posted about how they hoped she'd miscarry.
I recall in a non-Fametracker venue, one poster habitually referred to ME as "Mutant Enema", and was considered by a number of people to be a great wit.
I think they think they are being iconoclastic and daring. Well, as long as they hang out with each other, maybe that'll keep them off the streets, virtual and otherwise.
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God, some people scare me. I must have missed Marti's reign as the second Hitler.
Well, as long as they hang out with each other, maybe that'll keep them off the streets, virtual and otherwise.
I hope so, though it seems to make them worse with only constant validation and vitriol surrounding them. Then they're like a sealed pot ready to spill over everything (e.g., Buffy's Deep Bitterness Society)